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Renowned authors and experts Dr. A.W. Martin and Dr. A.P. Martin of the Martin Clinic share advice on how a back to basics approach to nutrition can have you feeling better and prevent disease.
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Feb 28, 2019

The American Heart Association recently published a report saying 48% of American adults have cardiovascular disease.

They define cardiovascular disease as having any of the following:

Coronary Heart Disease

Heart Failure


High Blood Pressure

In this episode we talk about the REAL reasons why half the adult population have cardiovascular disease.

We also share THREE ways you can lower your risk of heart disease.

Feb 21, 2019

In this episode we continue our discussion on FATIGUE.

Remember...Low energy means your body's check engine light is on...

Your body is trying to tell you something.

Which is why we wanted to share with you the BIGGEST causes of fatigue.

Last week we talked about the effect your thyroid, adrenals, and estrogen has on your energy levels. In this podcast we dive into Insulin, B12, Vitamin D3, and Magnesium.

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Dr. Martin, Jr.: You're listening to The Doctor Is in podcast from Although we share a lot of practical, and in our opinion, awesome information, what you hear on this podcast is not intended to diagnose, cure, treat, or prevent any disease. It's strictly for informational purposes, so enjoy.

Hello, I'm Dr. Martin, Jr.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: And I'm Dr. Martin, Sr.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: This is The Doctor Is In [00:00:30] podcast. This is episode 173. Today we're going to continue the discussion that we started on the last episode. If you haven't listened to the last episode, I would strongly recommend that you go back, listen to that episode because we talked about the first major cause of fatigue in women. The idea of these two episodes, this one and the one before, was talking about the three causes of exhaustion or fatigue in women. The idea is these three causes [00:01:00] that we're discussing really cover a majority of the issues that women have when it comes to fatigue.

Last week, we talked about the idea of the Bermuda Triangle of hormones, the thyroid, the adrenals, and the ovaries, and how most women that are exhausted, don't just have a thyroid problem, or don't just have adrenal fatigue, or don't just have an issue with estrogen or progesterone. [00:01:30] They have a problem with all three.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: It's because those three areas specifically, the thyroid, the adrenals, and ovaries, are so connected that if one goes bad ... so, it can start off as a problem ... A lot of people start off with an issue with their thyroid. They notice some thyroid symptoms. They get tested, nothing shows up, but they notice a difference in their thyroid, and then all of a sudden, they start to get some symptoms. They look them up, and they're like, "Ah, it's my adrenals." [00:02:00] Then it's, "I've got some estrogen issues." And they don't quite understand what's going on, and it's because one can lead to the other.

You can start off with adrenal fatigue and that wrecks your thyroid and your ovaries. Or you could start off with an estrogen issue, and that's going to wreck your thyroid and your adrenals, because they're so connected. Too much estrogen will block how your thyroid functions. A slow thyroid will lead to estrogen dominance. Adrenals will steal-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You can't win either way.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: That's right. The adrenals will steal progesterone from [00:02:30] your ovaries, and the ovaries will deplete ... It's amazing how those three things are connected. Most women who are exhausted, are in what we call a metabolic storm. It's a problem with their thyroid, adrenals, and ovaries.

Again, if you haven't heard the first episode, go back, listen to the previous episode. We talk a lot more in depth about the three areas involved in the Bermuda Triangle of hormones, and we go into that with a lot more detail. Today, we want to talk about part [00:03:00] two and three, the two other big causes, which are high-circulating insulin and deficiencies.

Now, you and I talk a lot about high-circulating insulin. It's something that we spend a lot of time on, so if you've heard us talk about this, you can tune us out for the next few minutes because we're just going to ... Again, we get so many new listeners and so many new people that discover us every week that we can't assume that they've heard this before, so we're just going to talk a little bit about this. [00:03:30] Again, if you've been with us for a while ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Repeat and rinse.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah. We give you permission to do something else in the meantime. You can listen to us in the background here.

Again, here's the thing. We get a lot of questions about blood sugar. We get a lot of questions, especially the age group that we deal with, a lot of blood sugar issues. Diabetes is exploding. It's climbing up the charts of top killers. It's climbing up the charts for everything. Right? Here's the thing. Your blood sugar levels [00:04:00] are so tightly regulated, extremely tightly regulated. The reason for that is that blood glucose can be ... it can be deadly. If your blood sugar levels go too high it can kill you. If it goes too low it can kill you. So your blood sugar levels are very tightly regulated.

Every time you eat food, it messes up your regulation of blood sugar. What happens as you eat food, it's broken down into glucose. That causes a [00:04:30] surge of blood glucose. Your blood sugar levels go up. Because, as we just said, high blood sugar is deadly, your body can't leave it that way. So you either burn it off for energy, or your body then says, "All right, blood sugar is up. We got to bring it down." It secretes insulin. Insulin comes along and insulin is what they call a partitioning hormone. It takes it and it sends it to different locations. It either stores it in the muscles, stores it in the liver, or [00:05:00] when those are full, stores it in fat cells.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, and has an unlimited capacity to make fat cells that stink in insulin.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: And here's the thing. Your ability to make fat cells is for the sole purpose of keeping your blood sugar levels normal. That's it. Your body puts on fat to protect you from getting diabetes. It will do that for as long as it can, and then eventually, it can't even do that fast [00:05:30] enough, and you end up with elevated blood sugar levels. That's when you end up with diabetes.

Now, some people have the ability to store a lot more fat before they become diabetic. Some people don't have the ability to store fat so they are diabetic and they are not even obese or anything. They're not ... they just-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: A skinny diabetic. It happens a lot.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Their liver gets full. They got fatty liver, always, because their liver is stuffed. And their muscle glycogen [00:06:00] is stuffed but they can't put on fat cells anywhere else so their blood sugar levels get elevated.

But that's how important your body views blood sugar, that it will put on fat to protect you. It takes the glucose out of the blood, turns it into glycogen, and stores it in muscle, liver, or basically turns it into fat and stores it away into fat cells, right? That's what's happening.

So you can imagine, every time you eat, your blood sugar levels go up. Now, if you're eating high- [00:06:30] processed sugars and crap like vegetable oils, your blood sugar levels are going to shoot up fast. You secrete a ton of insulin. You bring your blood sugars back down. Then you're hungry and-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: What goes up must come down.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: You do it over and over again. But here's the thing. After a while, your body ... We've given this analogy before. Eventually your body stops listening to insulin. What happens, [00:07:00] your body has only one thing it can do. It makes more insulin. It's the equivalent of me giving instructions to somebody and they're not listening, or they listen at first but then they stop listening. What ends up happening? Parents know this. They raise their voice. If they don't respond then, a lot of parents, what do they do? They go one more level up. They start yelling.

Well, that's what happens with insulin. You need a little bit of insulin to lower your blood sugar, and everything's great. After a while, the body ignores it or doesn't respond [00:07:30] as well so your body says, "All right, I'm going to give you a little bit more insulin now." Now you secrete even more insulin. That works for a while, then eventually, your cells ignore that. Then you just start making way more insulin. That's what we call high-circulating insulin.

What happens after a while ... and that can vary differently depending on somebody ... how long they've been eating bad foods for, how little they exercise, how little muscle they have, because the more muscle you have the more glycogen [00:08:00] you can store. I mean, there's a lot of factors, but some people can get high-circulating insulin pretty quickly. Some people it takes a long time to develop it. But eventually, they end up with too much insulin circulating all the time.

When that happens, that's where the problems go, because high-circulating insulin causes a problem in every organ in your body. And everybody reacts differently. Some people get diabetic. Some people get Alzheimer's/dementia. Some people end up with skin issues. Some people end up with joint issues. [00:08:30] Some people end up with heart disease. We'll talk about in an upcoming episode about half the country is, according to the American Heart Association, has heart disease. We'll talk about that coming up.

But regardless, they have high-circulating insulin. Here's the thing. When you have high-circulating insulin and you end up with a condition that we call insulin resistance, a lot of people do, you end up with lower energy. Think about it ... from a lot of different reasons why. One, your blood sugar levels are unstable. You've [00:09:00] got high glucose, a ton of insulin. You're inefficient. Your body's ability to efficiently make, store, burn, everything, it's out of whack. Your engine is messed up.

Also, high-circulating insulin has an effect on your mitochondria, which is the battery packs of your cells. Even you're not efficient at making energy anymore. You don't make as much of it. Your mitochondria don't function as well. Your-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You've got a dirty fuel.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah. Exactly. [00:09:30] So then all of a sudden, it's like your engine is, like you said, you got a dirty fuel, dirty engine, and you push on the gas in a car that has ... and then it's sluggish. The spark plugs aren't doing their job. There's a lot of stuff going on.

Unfortunately this is so common. It's so common, because as I mentioned, you can get a problem eating too much sugar. Just high-sugar diet can do it. High-carb diet can do it. We always talk about finding your carb tolerance, because everybody [00:10:00] can tolerate a different amount of carbohydrates.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, some people hardly any.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Again, it depends on ... A person who is lifting weights or is more active, and they build more muscle, they generally can tolerate more carbs. We all have a different amount. Some can tolerate more, some can tolerate less, but once you get above your tolerance level, and you start to make too much insulin all the time ... so that's another cause, right? But at the end of the day, this is very, very common.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, because it has a big effect on your energy. Absolutely.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: [00:10:30] Unfortunately it's also tied in to the first cause of energy for women, which is the metabolic storm, because insulin can hurt your thyroid. Insulin can hurt your adrenals. And insulin can definitely hurt your ovaries. You can start off with an insulin problem and end up in the metabolic storm. I mean, it's just ... It's attached. But again-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Well, we know that insulin is a growth hormone, and so when you look at somebody with PCOS, polycystic ovarian disorder, [00:11:00] medicine ... one of its treatment for that is to actually give you metformin, which is a diabetic drug to cut off your insulin because they know it's a growth hormone, right? But again, it's crazy but this is so common today because why would insulin, for example, high-circulating insulin, be so prevalent in our society today, and women are certainly no exception to it, is because ... I mean, it's one [00:11:30] of the biggest things is the amount of sugar that's added to foods.

The average ... You know, I was showing you something off-air today that they say in the United States the average American is consuming 50 gallon of soda a year, just soda. Like 50 gallons of it. Sugar, sugar, sugar, sugars, sugars everywhere, right? An estimated 200 pounds of sugar a year, the average person in the [00:12:00] United States and Canada are consuming. Well, women are no exception to that. They're part of that group, and that just makes insulin go crazy. And then you add vegetable oils, which we don't talk about enough. That acts like a sugar in a lot of ways, too, because it just [crosstalk 00:12:18]-

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Well, it's highly inflammatory, right?

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Very inflammatory.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: It's highly inflammatory. Here's the thing. A lot of women when they end up with high-circulating insulin, like I said, it affects their hormones, but it's definitely an energy killer, [00:12:30] which is why a lot of women, once they start to correct high-circulating insulin, they feel better. Their energy comes back. They feel better. Now, if you've got a problem with a metabolic storm, you better fix that, but somebody with high-circulating insulin, and they eat below their carb tolerance, they fix that, man it's amazing how much better they feel. I mean, that's a major cause. So that's the second cause.

Now, let's talk about the third cause. We talked about the Bermuda Triangle of hormones. [00:13:00] We've talked about high-circulating insulin. And the third thing is, is that straight up deficiencies, right? The number one deficiency that we think ... Again, I mean, you could take our opinion, and you couldn't even get a-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Hey, it's worth something.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: No, you can't even get a cup of coffee with it. You can't even get a cup of coffee with our opinion. Listen, this is our opinion, but based on what we see and hear, and talk to people ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: And that we're right.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah, I don't want to say that, but in our opinion, the number one deficiency that [00:13:30] leads to fatigue in women is B12.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah. Very, very complex vitamin, a finicky vitamin of finicky vitamins. It's molecular. It's a huge vitamin. It really is. I was looking at the structure of B12 the other day, just going back in my old chemistry days, and look at B12 and what it looks like, it's the largest vitamin. It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger of ... I don't even know if that's a good illustration. [00:14:00] Maybe people don't remember him. But anyway, it is huge. That's a problem because that makes B12 very, very difficult, even at the best of times, to be absorbed by the body. You cannot be on any medications, any medications, in my opinion, and absorb B12 properly.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah. If you're on a medication, you have a B12 issue.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah. If you got any digestive issue at all ...

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Heartburn, bloating, gas, [00:14:30] you're not getting B12.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You're not getting B12. You're not getting the right amount of B12.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: And the reason why you're saying that is because B12 has to get absorbed in the stomach. It needs an assist with intrinsic factor. If you have-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: A lot of people don't even have that factor.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: No, so I mean, that's the thing, right? It's very difficult, like you said, to get B12. If you're swallowing a B12 ... A lot of people take B complex, which are fine for stuff like B6 and all the other stuff, but not for B12. It has to be [00:15:00] dissolvable. It has to be injectable or sublingual. We use ... It has to be a sublingual. It has to dissolve. There's a lot of ways to get B12, but-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: And a lot of people don't eat red meat anymore.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: No, I mean listen-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Women love chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yep.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: I kind of tease them at the office. I said, "I bet you you're eating chicken and salad, or salad and chicken." Right? They don't eat a lot of red meat anymore. Red meat's got a bad rap. We've talked about that in the past. But, [00:15:30] if you're not eating red meat, like you ain't getting B12. It's just as simple as that. Don't try and fool yourself. It's not in the plant kingdom, not enough for a mouse in the [crosstalk 00:15:40].

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Well, unless you want to eat oysters all day, but then again, who wants to eat oysters all day? And here's the thing, so B12, one of the issues with B12 ... A lot of people are like, "Oh, I get my blood tested and my B12 is fine." But again, here's the thing, here's the thing. If I come and get tested and my number is [00:16:00] like X, well that might be enough B12 for me but that might not be enough for somebody else. Each person has an optimal level of B12. They could be at a number and then it decreases and they get their blood tested and it's like well, they're still within normal range, but it's not optimal for them. It always is how do you feel, right? B12 is difficult. The testing, in our opinion is-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: I just want to bring you back to some history because in the 1950s of whatever, if someone was low [00:16:30] in energy, almost invariably, without blood tests ... I just know this for a fact because of my father and your grandfather ... B12 given in shots was probably the number one medication, ahead of aspirin and everything else. If you had low energy, you were getting a B12 shot. It was so common. Family doctors, they ... I mean, it was nothing. They had B12 in [00:17:00] their doctors' bags. Now it's unheard of. It's almost like you ... To get a B12 shot from a family physician, is almost like they just don't do it anymore.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Well, they'll check your numbers and say, "Oh, you're fine."

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, and it's just because it's ... It's changed, right? There's been a big shift away from B12 and yet, today, there's a huge, huge deficiency in B12. This is one thing that people should really consider, that [00:17:30] our listeners really consider that that ... If you're tired, you're probably low in B12. It's so common. You have no idea.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: And it has a major effect on the brain.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: A lot of depression, anxiety ... I mean, it has a major-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You're yawning a lot?

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: People that they're always yawning, that's ... Your body's sucking up for oxygen, right? A lot of times that is just, you know what? Your B12. Again, I love what you said because [00:18:00] what is your optimal levels of B12? We've been talking about this in the past, of testosterone for men, or whatever, and yeah, I'm normal. Yeah, but you should be at optimal, because you'll do a lot better at optimal than you will at normal levels. It's the same thing with B12.

I've found over the years ... and this is my clinical experience ... is that I find that when I top up B12 in patients, when I top their levels up and get [00:18:30] at their optimal levels, and they often ... You know, it's amazing how much they ... patients know themselves, because once they start taking B12 and a couple of weeks, and they say, well ... If they missed it for a day, they noticed it. I say, "Well, there you go. There's your answer. Your body's talking to you. Obviously you need that amount of B12 for now at least." They feel better. They've got more energy. But B12, yes, I like it that we mentioned that [00:19:00] at the top of the list of deficiencies, because I really think ... And you know? Metabolically, too, just ... I know I'm on a little tangent on B12. But, metabolically, it really has a lot to do with hormones. Even your thyroid needs B12. Your ovaries, ladies, need B12. It is a vitamin of hormones.

And so, if you're stressed out, guess which vitamin is being sucked out of your body. Cortisol will suck your [00:19:30] B12 out of your body. They do go together. So yes, B12 is essential for energy.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: There was a study done a while ago. They looked at 3,000 men and women. What I found interesting is they found that 40% of the people in the study were in the low normal range already. 40%. And then even a percentage was below that, as well, but 40% of the people were in the low normal range. Think about that. [00:20:00] If you have low normal blood B12, you're low in B12.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, you're low in B12.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Don't call it ... It's just that the range, in my opinion, has to be tightened up quite a bit, but they ... Again, we talked about this in the last episode about how they determine ... It's like the 95 percentile. If 95% of the people are in this range, that's normal. 2.5% above it, that's high. 2.5% below ... So, if people's blood B12 levels are changing, the slide scales. The range gets bigger. [00:20:30] Then the normal gets bigger. You see that in men and testosterone. The testosterone range for men now, in a lab test, is like ... What is it now? 200 to 1100?

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: That's a big ... Because 95% of the population ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: That's two football fields ...

Dr. Martin, Jr.: It fits within that range.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Some men, they can have a level of 500 and they still have symptoms of testosterone. The same thing with everything. So again, the question is how you feel. That's a big deficiency.

Another big one as well, is vitamin D3. A lot of energy [00:21:00] processes ... Well, first of all, vitamin D will ... It basically enhances the activity of your mitochondria, those little battery packs.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: They need D.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: They need vitamin D.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Your immune system needs D.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: If you're low in vitamin D3, which again I-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: I never heard of that vitamin before. [crosstalk 00:21:16].

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah, I know. I think if they did a search of vitamin D on our website, it'd probably return like 3,000 search queries. I mean, we talk about vitamin D3-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, but it's essential, you know? We don't apologize. I mean, look-

Dr. Martin, Jr.: No. And [00:21:30] we've done episodes, and we've done a lot of newsletters over the years on the effect that D has everywhere. If you don't have normal D, you're not going to have normal energy. Let me just ... We're almost out of time, but let me just ... Every once in a while, you'll get like 500 ... Now, this is an exaggeration ... You'll get like 500 good studies on vitamin D ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: And then you get-

Dr. Martin, Jr.: And then one bad one ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah. The media is all over it.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: And then that bad one gets all the media. I mean, look it-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Talk about fake news.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Oh, listen, [00:22:00] a study came out recently talking about even WebMD, which like WebMD, for them to print something positive about vitamin D, I'm sure how to go through three levels of editorial corrections and the president of WebMD himself, probably he or she had to approve it. It kills them. They talked about a study showing the cancer-protective effect of vitamin D levels, right? I'm sure that killed them to write it.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Oh yeah. They didn't like it.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: At the end of the day, vitamin [00:22:30] D is essential, obviously. Most people are deficient in vitamin D. The amount of vitamin D you need varies. I take 8,000 or so international units in the wintertime, because for me, personally ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You need it.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: That's what my body needs.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Everybody's different. Everybody has a different amount.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Again, I think, and I think research shows this, the more insulin resistant you are, the more vitamin D deficient you become, and even your ability to take vitamin D [00:23:00] when you're in the sun decreases. That's a theory I have. Regardless, a lot of people are vitamin D-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: And you're not going to go wrong with vitamin D.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: No.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: You know? We live in northern Ontario, and one thing ... You know what the window does? I'll tell you what a window does. It blocks your UV radiation.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah, you're not getting it.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: What does that mean?

Dr. Martin, Jr.: You can't see it.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Because even when the sun is out, and you might be ... Am I ever enjoying that sun because [00:23:30] it's coming through the window in the afternoon?

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Well, the sun might feel nice and warm-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, it feels-

Dr. Martin, Jr.: You're not getting your vitamin D.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: No, you're not getting your vitamin D from it.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Listen, we're almost out of time. Let's just talk about one more common deficiency, which is magnesium. Again, magnesium is so essential for energy production. Over 300 biochemical processes use magnesium. It's a very, very common deficiency. In fact, most people with low energy are low in B12, low in vitamin D3, and low in magnesium. [00:24:00] Typically, that's kind of like a triangle or like-

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Yeah, the trinity there.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: The deficiency triangle of ...

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Hey, maybe we should write a book about that.

Dr. Martin, Jr.: Yeah. Those three. So if you're struggling ... And let's just wrap up with this, all right? If you are struggling with energy or fatigue, you're exhausted, it's a good chance it's your hormonal issues, like we talked about, the Bermuda Triangle of hormones. There's a good chance you've got high-circulating insulin, and there's a good chance you're deficient in the three nutrients that we just talked about. [00:24:30] Those three ... Those got to be corrected.

Again, over the last two episodes we shared a ton of information, and we get a lot of questions on this, so if you have questions you can email us. There's a lot of ways to get a hold of us. Also, we have a private Facebook group that ... It's a fantastic audience. I mean, it's a fantastic community. They're answering each other's questions, and they're helping each other out, and they're encouraging each other. It's awesome. Go to our website. You can join that group from there. But again, we want to thank you for listening [00:25:00] and have a great day.

Dr. Martin, Sr.: Thanks for listening to The Doctor Is In podcast from If you have any questions you can reach us at If you're not a newsletter subscriber, you can head to our website and sign up for free. We also have a private Facebook group that you can join. It's a community of awesome people. Finally, I do a Facebook live every Thursday morning at 8:30. Join [00:25:30] us again next week for a new episode.

Feb 14, 2019

In this episode we talk about the BIG causes of fatigue in women. Is your energy where it should be?

Many of you are exhausted...

Yet don't sleep well...wake up tired...or both. Many of you are frustrated because you haven't been able to find answers.

In this podcast (PART 1) we talk about FATGUE...

Specifically the BIG causes of exhaustion in women...

  • Thyroid
  • Adrenals
  • Estrogen
  • Insulin
  • B12
  • D3
  • Magnesium

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Dr. Martin Jr.: You're listening to the Doctor Is In podcast from Although we share a lot of practical, and in our opinion, awesome information, what you hear on this podcast is not intended to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent any disease. It's strictly for informational purposes, so enjoy.

Hello, I'm Dr. Martin Jr.

Dr. Martin Sr.: And I'm Dr. Martin Sr.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And this is the Doctor Is In podcast, and this is episode 172. [00:00:30] Today it's gonna be part one of a two-part series that we're titling The Three Biggest Causes Of Fatigue In Women.

One of the things that, I would say the biggest symptom that people get a hold of us for is fatigue. It's a frustrating thing. Many of you that have been with us for a while know our history, and know how we kind of went off in the direction that [00:01:00] we are in now. Of course, it has to do with my mother, your wife, and her initial symptoms were just a tremendous amount of fatigue.

It's funny, we have a good old video on our website on a documentary that was done, and my mother was in that documentary. I think it was in the ... was it the '80s?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah. Late '80s.

Dr. Martin Jr.: So I mean, it looks like an '80s video with the hairstyles. I get a kick out of watching it. I remember the '80s. It's [00:01:30] interesting. But that fatigue, we get so emails and so many questions about fatigue. What we wanted to do in this next couple of episode is try to ... We're big fans of what we call the 80/20 rule. We want to give the three biggest causes of fatigue, and they pretty much would cover at least 80% of the people that get a hold of us for fatigue.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Oh yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: If you're listening and you're exhausted, [00:02:00] one of the questions we like to ask people is, when was the last time you felt fantastic? When's the last time? And you always-

Dr. Martin Sr.: I scale it up because I always ask 'em, "Okay, I'm 10 out of 10," and most days I really am. I'm very thankful about that. But I say, "Okay compared to that, 10 being me," and they know me in the office. I'm jumping around, and I'm pretty, I get pretty excited pretty quickly. "Okay, you're 10 out of 10." "And what are you?" And then I get the number, [00:02:30] right? Twos and threes, and minus zero, and minus 10, and barely functioning. I get a lot of that. So it's the first question that I ask. It's always that, because I wanna know what their energy levels are, and the vast majority of people that come in, yep that's ... I mean, they might have other issues, but that's certainly part of it.

Dr. Martin Jr.: It's a symptom for so many issues.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Martin Jr.: And that's what we wanna cover. So we could've titled this just as easily The Three Main Causes Of Exhaustion [00:03:00] In Women, Three Main Causes Of Fatigue, Three Main Causes Of Chronic Low Energy. I mean everybody goes through a period of time where they may feel a little low energy, the body might be fighting something off. But I'm talking about somebody who is tired everyday. They go to bed tired. They either sleep or they don't sleep, most of the time they're not sleeping.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Martin Jr.: They're tired in the morning. If they do get a good nights sleep, they're still tired. They're just exhausted. And think of the effect that, and we hear this, [00:03:30] it has on their life, their family life, economic life, their marriage, their relationships. I mean, when somebody is exhausted it is almost impossible for them to maintain a normal day-to-day routine.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And it's frustrating because, and here's the thing, if you and I are out playing a sport and you twist your ankle, you could wrap it up, get on some crutches [00:04:00] for a bit. And if you were hobbling along somebody would come up and say "Hey, what happened to your ankle?" Cause you visibly are limping around. When it comes to things like exhaustion, most people look at ya and they can't appreciate what's really going on. Yeah, you may look tired. I remember if, talking to mom about when she was going through real exhaustion back in the, a long time ago. People [00:04:30] would, they didn't know how to handle it a lot of times. Every once in awhile somebody would come up and say, "Oh, you look so exhausted," or "You look so tired," which is not a compliment. It's not a compliment, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah, and like you say, it's not visible. And just, point of what you're saying, because I see a lot of people and they say "Yeah, but I'm still doing a lot of things." The point is, is that I say "Well yeah, but you're running on fumes. And you're doing things on your personality," because if a man ... [00:05:00] Again, I don't wanna be, it's not 100%. But a lot of men when they're exhausted, they wouldn't get out of bed for the same amount of exhaustion that women have. Women are usually driven. They know they've gotta do this, this, and this and this, and they gotta get it done. So in spite of the fact that they don't feel well, they still do things.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Yeah. They manage to hold things together.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yep.

Dr. Martin Jr.: But it's definitely straining them, and a lot of times it can strain all the relationships around them because the energy's just not there. [00:05:30] Again, so that's what we wanna talk about. We wanna talk about the three main causes of exhaustion, or fatigue, in women. These three areas, as we mentioned, it's gonna cover 80% of the people that are listening. And let me just say this, it's impossible to have full energy if you have a problem in any of these areas. We'll say that right off the top.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: As an aside, it's also, I don't wanna say impossible, but it's very difficult [00:06:00] to lose weight if you have a problem in any of these areas cause these spill over to metabolism as well. And it's also very hard to have a sharp brain if you have a problem in these three areas. So these three areas will cover a lot of different areas. So if you're listening and you're frustrated because you haven't been able to find answers ... A lot of people go to their doctor for low energy, they get a lot of blood work done, and things generally come back normal generally speaking. And a lot of times people with exhaustion, [00:06:30] and the frustrating thing is a lot times they're told it's in their head or they're depressed. And here's the thing, we always tell the story of the Titanic when we talk about energy.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: The Titanic, everybody, pretty much the whole world has seen the movie. It's still one of the highest, I think it's second overall still in history of revenue. So I mean it's, everybody has seen the Titanic pretty much.

Dr. Martin Sr.: It's a fascinating story.

Dr. Martin Jr.: We're all familiar with it.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Martin Jr.: [00:07:00] We all know the end result, but most people are unaware that the Titanic had actually received a whole bunch of warnings throughout the day from other ships that were already in the direction they were going. They were already in the ice. So the Titanic knew that there were problems ahead of time, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And we all know what happened. In fact I think it was the US California, right? USS California, they were ten minutes or so ahead and they sent a [00:07:30] warning saying "It's terrible." And one of the last communications from the Titanic was from the wireless operator, and he tapped back and basically saying "Shut up. Shut up. We're tired." They were tired of hearing the warnings, and then of course the rest is history. The point of this story is, even the Titanic had warnings. It wasn't like they didn't know what they were going into. And the body does the same thing. A lot of times, one of the first warning [00:08:00] signs that our body gives us is lack of energy. And we tell people that lack of energy is like a check engine light, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: A check engine light can mean a lot of things. Energy can mean a lot of things. Almost anything can cause low energy, but that's a check engine light that just went on. And you're not gonna take electrical tape and just cover up your dash, and just ignore the check engine light. And even in a car, a check engine light could [00:08:30] be nothing. It could be that you didn't tighten your gas cap, I found that out. It says to click it, and that can do it. Or it could be something serious like your engine's gonna fall apart unless you get it checked out. And energy could be the same thing.

But here's the frustrating thing when it comes to energy, it's hard to figure out why you have low energy. Traditional blood testing, unless you have anemia or something that just jumps out on the report, it is [00:09:00] very difficult to figure out why you have low energy. So that's why it's frustrating. So a lot of people are frustrated. But let me just say this, fatigue is a warning sign. Fatigue is a check engine light. There's a cause. Fatigue doesn't just happen for no reason.

Alright, so that's a long introduction. Let's talk about the three energy killers in women. So today we'll talk about as many of them as we can, and then we'll carry over next week into the next [00:09:30] episode. But we'll list them right off the top. So the three biggest energy killers in women.

The first one is the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones, which we talk about a lot, but we're gonna go into a little bit more detail about that. That's the first one. So the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones; we're talking about cortisol, we're talking about thyroid hormones, and we're talking about estrogen. But we'll come back to that. The second cause, or the second energy killer in women is high circulating insulin. That's a big cause [00:10:00] of low energy in women. And the third thing is very specific deficiencies, nutritional deficiencies that is common in women that can lead to fatigue. And we'll list, and we'll talk about those deficiencies on the next episode as well. So those are the three big headings. So it's the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones, high circulating insulin, and deficiencies.

So, let's talk about the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones. We've had a lot of names [00:10:30] for this over the years. We used to call it "The Unholy Trinity of Hormones". We kinda like the concept of the Bermuda Triangle because it's just mess.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah, it's a mess. And it's complicated, right? You get in there ... And mainstream medicine has, they've missed the boat here because they always, like you said, they look for disease. So most tests are looking for disease and not for imbalances. And if your hormones are not balanced, [00:11:00] ladies, it's complicated in the sense that you need balance. I loved your illustration, if we just talked about the thyroid for a second, I think we talked about this maybe a month ago or whatever that in a whole year you're complete amount of thyroid hormone that is secreted is what? Is it a tablespoon or less?

Dr. Martin Jr.: I think it's a teaspoon.

Dr. Martin Sr.: It's a teaspoon.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Which is amazing to think about.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah, [00:11:30] imagine the organ that sort of orchestrates that-

Dr. Martin Jr.: Yeah, the master gland in a sense, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: The master gland, thyroid, operates on a teaspoon of-

Dr. Martin Jr.: That's how powerful the thyroid hormone is.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And imagine trying to test it properly, when even the slightest decrease in the amount that you produce can cause major effects in the body. And some people are more [00:12:00] sensitive. Even the smaller decrease in thyroid hormone has a big effect on them. So when they get tested, it's very difficult to test the thyroid.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And also, and this is something else a lot of people don't understand when it comes to testing. So imagine you have 100 people that get a test done. So 100 people go in, they get a test done. This is how they come up with values. So they have the 95 percentile. So 95% of the people fit in a range, and that range is normal. [00:12:30] 2.5% are below that. 2.5% is above that. And here's the thing about that, if you go somewhere and you look at 100 people, there's not 100 healthy people out there out of 100. And definitely not 95 of them are healthy.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Exactly.

Dr. Martin Jr.: So what ends up happening is, is that as the population gets sicker the blood tests, it shifts. It's like the bell curve, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Martin Jr.: So 95% fit into the healthy range.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Well look at what we see in the thyroid today compared to what it used [00:13:00] to be. I mean, I can tell you exactly why, but the thing is, the laboratories have not adjusted to that at all. And this is why, when did they come out with the TSH, in the early seventies? I mean, it was the test of all tests for the thyroid. The problem is, is like you say, you can't compare the 1970s to the year 2019. Completely different, we live in a different world environmentally and nutritionally. [00:13:30] You name it, it's completely different. And this is why I always tell my patients, "Look, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, you got all the thyroid symptoms, it's your thyroid." The lab is not, you can't rely on the lab. You have to rely on your symptoms.

Dr. Martin Jr.: No. A thyroid is, the thyroid really you have to pay attention to the symptoms. Why don't you talk a little bit about the idea of the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones? Cause women that are exhausted rarely just have a problem [00:14:00] with their thyroid, or they rarely just have a problem with cortisol or their adrenals, or rarely have a problem with their ovaries or estrogen or progesterone. It's typically the Bermuda Triangle, all three are involved. We've talked about this a lot. In fact, if you go to our website you can sign up for free and watch a course, a full video course that we did on the metabolic storm. We call it How To Repair The Bermuda Triangle Of Hormones And How To ... a lot of people have gone through that program, they feel better. You can go right to our website and [00:14:30] sign up for it. But why don't you talk a little bit about the idea of why these three hormones are connected?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah. Women, their hormones are very very much connected to one another. So one of the biggest things, to use as an example, that we see in the office is what we call "estrogen dominance", too much estrogen. That of course is in relationship to progesterone. Okay, just for bad periods, weight gain, they don't [00:15:00] feel good, mood swings, maybe acne, and endometriosis, polycystic ovarian, you name it. Bad periods, and some patients come in and they've been like that from the day they ovulated for the very first time. And then they wonder, "Well what's that got to do with my thyroid?" Well it has everything to do with the thyroid, because when estrogen is dominant the thyroid is slowed down. The thyroid won't work at the top of its game. It's [00:15:30] very much connected to the ovaries. Of course, men, we don't have that connection.

So the thyroid, and this is where you can have hair loss and you can have ... I mean, exhausted, which we're talking about today. But when estrogen is dominant, the thyroid is effected. And then you add in your adrenals, your cortisol, your stress hormone, that's adding fuel to the fire. It's just, it's making things even more complicated.

Dr. Martin Jr.: [00:16:00] Which is why women have symptoms. A lot of times they have a hard time figuring out what's going on cause they have symptoms of all three.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Martin Jr.: So let's talk quickly, let's just go through the different parts of the Bermuda Triangle, just so that we can add a little bit of clarity to that for people. So the thing that we tell people about the thyroid is, you have to remember the thyroid is the master gland. It's tiny, it doesn't weigh much, but yet it can control every system and almost every cell in your body. It can affect hair, as you mentioned, it can affect everything. [00:16:30] When your thyroid is slow, everything slows down.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Everything slows down. But the thing about the thyroid, is that the thyroid is a puppet. It only does what your brain tells it to do, specifically your pituitary and your hypothalamus. So you have your hypothalamus that tells your pituitary that then goes and tells your thyroid to get to work. So you could have a problem in the thyroid, or you could have a problem in the pituitary, or you could have a problem in the [00:17:00] hypothalamus. And any one of those things can affect.

So think of this, how complicated this is for a second. The hypothalamus uses a hormone to tell the pituitary which uses a hormone to stimulate the thyroid which is thyroid stimulating hormone. TSH, secreted by your pituitary gland, tells your thyroid to get to work. Then your thyroid turns around and then makes T4, T3, T2, T1, and then some calcitonin. But the active form [00:17:30] of the hormone is T3, yet 90% of the hormone that is made by your thyroid gland is T4. So then T4 has to be converted into T3. So think of all of the things that can go wrong in a thyroid. It's amazing.

Even, we talked about before, something like insulin resistance can affect the thyroid. So we'll talk about that in a second, but that's the thyroid. And so the thyroid's a puppet. And here's [00:18:00] something else about the thyroid that we like to tell people: subclinical hypothyroidism, so you can have a sluggish thyroid can exist for seven years before any change in blood numbers. So you can have every symptom of thyroid, and it won't even put a dent in your lab values. So you've gotta wait seven years sometimes to see an effect in your blood.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: So I mean, it's a very frustrating experience. And it kills their energy, which is why we list it as an energy killer for women. [00:18:30] It's a very big, common one. They gain weight all over. They have hair problems, thinning eyebrows, body temperature issues, dry skin. I mean, there's so many ... You can imagine, even a typical presentation of what you see for somebody with thyroid all the time.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Well, yeah, exactly. They come in, and they "Hey Doc, I just look at food and I'm gaining weight." Why is that, right? "Hey, my hair." "I look at your hair, it looks pretty good to me." And the woman, "Oh, but look [00:19:00] at the patches," or "It's falling out. It's very dry. Look at my nails." For a woman, these things, they ... Men, we lose hair who cares, right? But for a woman, that is an important thing. But they can't, nobody can tell them why that's happening, so these are typical.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Well especially when their blood values are normal. So let's quickly talk about cortisol which is another part of this Bermuda Triangle of Hormones. Well, the same thing. The hypothalamus tells your pituitary gland to get your adrenals going, and then adrenals will secrete cortisol. [00:19:30] And here's the thing, cortisol is a cyclical circadian hormone, meaning it has a time of day when it's supposed to be higher and it has a time of day when it's supposed to be lower. Now, since cortisol will raise your blood sugar levels, will get you in that fight or flight, you want that in the morning, but you don't want that at the end of the day when you're trying to sleep.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: But somebody that has adrenal exhaustion, or they have an issue with their adrenal glands, or they've got elevated cortisol, [00:20:00] it's high all the time. And when it's high all the time, good luck. And you and I always talk about cortisol being an accelerant, meaning you add cortisol to anything it makes it worse. Cortisol to high blood pressure, it makes it worse. Cortisol to your gut, makes it worse. Cortisol to your brain, makes it worse. So I mean, this is a-

Dr. Martin Sr.: Can't focus, you can't, yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: So it's a major-

Dr. Martin Sr.: And you can't turn your brain off when you wanna go to sleep at night.

Dr. Martin Jr.: That's right. And that's-

Dr. Martin Sr.: And all of a sudden. I've had people say "I used to be a good sleeper, and now I might sleep for the first [00:20:30] hour then I'm up." And I said, "Well that's cortisol." That's what it'll do. It'll wake your brain up. You think it's 7:00 in the morning when it's 1:30 a.m.

Dr. Martin Jr.: The brain's operating, the brain's running. And cortisol will create a ton of information. But here's the thing, it kills your energy, just like a sluggish thyroid kills your energy. So cortisol will kill your energy. But then it also has a whole bunch of peripheral symptoms; craving salt and sugar, [00:21:00] the need to snack, anxiety. Anxiety is such a major symptom of elevated cortisol. Weight gain, all these things. Again, you mash the symptoms of cortisol and thyroid and they can overlap a little bit. But somebody will say "Oh I've got thyroid symptoms," "I've got adrenal symptoms. What's going on?" It's like, "Well you've got the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones going on. They're all involved."

Which brings us to the last one we wanna talk about, which is estrogen. We talk about estrogen dominance a lot. And we always get somebody in menopause, they're like "Well I'm in menopause [00:21:30] so my estrogen's low." It is low, however, estrogen dominance doesn't have to do with the amount of estrogen. It has to do with the ratio between estrogen and progesterone.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah. And that is so key to understand that, because that's why-

Dr. Martin Jr.: So they can be in menopause and still be estrogen-dominant, and it's hard. I understand it's hard for people to understand that, but it has nothing to ... Yes, your estrogen levels have declined.

Dr. Martin Sr.: That's normal.

Dr. Martin Jr.: But your progesterone has declined as well, and you have estrogen dominance. You are dominant compared to progesterone. [00:22:00] So you end up with a ton of symptoms. So you can end up with estrogen dominance if you have too much estrogen and normal progesterone, too little progesterone and normal estrogen, or too little progesterone and too much estrogen. Think about it. So there's a lot of ways you can end up with estrogen dominance, and they're gonna cause a ton of symptoms.

But here's the thing, when you are estrogen dominant it kills your energy. It also causes headaches, and acne, and fibroids, and PICOS, and [00:22:30] PMS, and mood swings, and hot flashes, and on and on and on. Now you take a woman who's exhausted, and they've got so many hormonal symptoms that they don't even know what's going on. They got thyroid, and they got adrenal, they got estrogen dominance.

And a lot of women will say "Well I don't even have my ovaries anymore." Well you can still be estrogen dominant.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: And that's a major cause of fatigue in women, is they are in what we call a "metabolic storm". They got a problem with that Bermuda Triangle [00:23:00] of Hormones. And until they fix that, they're gonna struggle with their energy. The check engine light's going on because they got a problem with their hormones, and specifically those three hormones are giving 'em major major issues. And it is probably the most common cause that we see, just because we deal a lot with hormones.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Yeah.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Definitely the most common cause that we would see, right?

Dr. Martin Sr.: Absolutely.

Dr. Martin Jr.: Now, time wise, we're running kinda at the end. [00:23:30] Let's do this, next episode we'll talk about the last two causes. So today we talked about the Bermuda Triangle of Hormones. And then we will talk about how to, maybe we could talk a little bit about how to fix it.

But, if what we talked about today sounds like you, go to our website, sign up for a free video course. It's a full course, ton of information, but more importantly we show you how, in our clinic and over the years, how we deal with the Bermuda [00:24:00] Triangle of Hormones. So go to our website, sign up. It's free. We get so much feedback on that program, that people go through and they love it. I mean, it answers their questions, they feel better. So I would encourage you to go do that.'

So again, we wanna thank you for listening. And have a great day.

Dr. Martin Sr.: Thanks for listening to The Doctor's In Podcast from If you have any questions, you can reach us at If you're not a newsletter subscriber, you can head to our [00:24:30] website and sign up for free. We also have a private Facebook group that you can join. It's a community of awesome people. Finally, I do a Facebook live every Thursday morning at 8:30. Join us again next week for a new episode.

Feb 7, 2019

Autoimmune diseases are 3 times more common today than they were a few decades earlier. There are also over 100 different types of autoimmune conditions. The most common ones are:

  • Celiac
  • Hashimoto's Disease (Thyroid)
  • Lupus
  • MS
  • Asthma
  • Inflammatory Bowel Disease
  • Psoriasis
  • Rheumatoid Arthritis
  • Type-1 Diabetes
  • ALS

In this episode we talk about 5 big causes of autoimmune disorders. We talk about chemicals, leaky gut syndrome, heavy metals, vegetable oils, and food allergies.

We also talk about how to naturally help autoimmune disorders.


Dr Martin Jr: You're listening to The Doctor is in podcast, from Although we share a lot of practical, and in our opinion, awesome information, what you hear on this podcast is not intended to diagnose, cure, treat, or prevent any disease, it's strictly for informational purposes, so enjoy. Hi, I'm Dr. Martin Jr.

Dr Martin Sr: I'm Dr. Martin Sr.

Dr Martin Jr: And this is The Doctor is in podcast, and today [00:00:30] we want to talk about autoimmune disorders. Now, what's really unfortunate is the amount of people that now have autoimmune disorders. I remember reading a statistic, not long ago, that if you're a woman, you have a 1 in 9 chance of developing an autoimmune disorder. So they've exploded in diagnosis over the years. They've just become so much more common.

So what we want to do today is talk about autoimmune disorders in general, [00:01:00] talk about what we think is going on, and then five of the biggest causes of autoimmune disorders, and then we'll talk about what you can do naturally to help fix what's going on in the background. So as I mentioned right up at the start of this episode, they have become ... I mean, you've been in practice 45 years.

Dr Martin Sr: Crazy, you see it every day.

Dr Martin Jr: Compared to when you started.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So if you go back to when you started, did they have electricity back then?

Dr Martin Sr: I know, I'm [00:01:30] ancient.

Dr Martin Jr: I remember, I know you lived in a world where despite science, you had to walk both ways up a hill, to school, both times.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah [crosstalk 00:01:39]

Dr Martin Jr: The school was-

Dr Martin Sr: On snow shoes.

Dr Martin Jr: Yeah, both ways.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So for some reason there was a tilt in the axis or something, you had to walk-

Dr Martin Sr: I told you guys that, and then I was telling my grandchildren that.

Dr Martin Jr: Oh I know, 'cause my kids have said that you were telling them that as well, so-

Dr Martin Sr: Of course, yeah. But you know, I'll tell you, just to give you a little background [00:02:00] in that sense, the first time I saw a real epidemic of autoimmune was in the late, let's say mid 80s to the early 90s. The first wave of real difficult diagnoses in terms of autoimmune, and that was on chronic fatigue syndrome. Because that really is an autoimmune disorder, so is fibromyalgia in that sense. [00:02:30] 'Cause fibro's just a symptom, I believe, of chronic fatigue. But that was the first wave. And now, in our practice, of course we see autoimmune. I see it every day.

Dr Martin Jr: Well yeah, and now there are over 100 different types of autoimmune disorders. Of course the most common ones are things like celiac, Hashimoto is so much more common.

Dr Martin Sr: Oh I know.

Dr Martin Jr: The amount of women who are getting diagnosed with Hashimoto's is just unbelievable. We'll talk about that [00:03:00] in a few minutes, about what's going on in the background, but Hashimoto's, lupus-

Dr Martin Sr: MS.

Dr Martin Jr: MS, especially in the Northern hemisphere, MS is definitely growing as well. And then you got asthmas, asthmas like crazy. I remember you used to talk about asthma being the canary in the coal mine in a lot of ways, which is interesting. A lot of inflammatory bowel diseases now. Psoriasis, eczema, rheumatoid arthritis, ALS is another.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So, [00:03:30] so much more common, but there are other ones as well that are not "officially", and I'm doing air quotes here, for those that are wondering, that are not officially diagnosed. You mentioned chronic fatigue syndrome. You've mentioned fibromyalgia, and also Meniere's disease as well, right?

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Which is an inner-ear issue. For a lot of people it could be treated as if it's an autoimmune disorder, and the information that we're going to share today will help along the lines of that [00:04:00] as well. Here's the thing, we put out an email not long ago asking the question, "Can you have a hidden autoimmune disorder?" Because here's the thing, here's the most common symptoms of an autoimmune disorder. Now again, we'll get into this in a lot more detail in a second.

But fatigue is a common, heat intolerance, rapid heart rate, hives, sensitive to the sun, hair loss, digestive issues, [00:04:30] sore joints, muscle pain, tremors, weight gain, or weight loss, memory, those are generic symptoms that can be a lot of different things across the board, but they're also common in autoimmune disorders.

So there are a lot of people who have thyroid going on for example, they've got a lot of these symptoms, and what they actually have is an autoimmune disorder, which is why, well it's not the only reason, but it's a big reason why, a lot of it has to do with lab values in general. [00:05:00] But it's a big reason why a lot of women who have Hashimoto's, they get on thyroid medication, and they don't feel better. Now they may feel better for a bit, but they've got to constantly adjust their medications, because the body's attacking its own thyroid.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: And that's really ... And we'll talk really, the definition of an autoimmune disorder is when your own immune system attacks your own cells. Again, you can have an autoimmune [00:05:30] disorder in pretty much any part of your body because your immune system is everywhere, and it can attack any part of your body. So if you have an autoimmune disorder of your skin, you may end up with something like psoriasis, or eczema. If you have an autoimmune disorder of the thyroid, Hashimoto's. If you have it of your joints you can have lupus, or rheumatoid arthritis.

It can attack your bowels. You can get inflammatory-type stuff. It can attack anything. If it attacks your brain stem, you can end up with ALS, MS, same [00:06:00] thing. So I mean, you can end up with this anywhere. But the reality is, they are three times more common today than they were even a couple decades ago. And if you're a woman especially, you're more likely to end up with an autoimmune disorder. And statistically speaking, women have what is now, what, 1 in 7, or 1 in 8 chance of breast cancer?

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, it's 1 in 7.

Dr Martin Jr: 1 in 9 chance of an autoimmune disorder. So things are starting to add up. Things are starting to add up. So what we want to do today is [00:06:30] talk about autoimmune disorders, and talk about what we think some of the biggest reasons why we're seeing an explosion. And then also what we can do naturally to help fix them.

So what we have to do is start off with a conversation, I think, two conversations. The first one's about cause and effect. 'Cause in reality, the autoimmune disorder is the effect, it's not the cause. So you have to figure out what's triggering. At the end of the day, there's something that's triggering [00:07:00] your immune system to get funny, and start to attack its own cells. So there's always a cause.

Now that cause may be difficult to figure out, but there's always a cause. It doesn't just spontaneously, for no reason whatsoever, start. There's always a reason. There's always something that triggers your immune system to start attacking its own cells.

Now you and I, we have a ... We'll share it now, but a real [00:07:30] simplistic way of looking at the immune system. Now we'll give the warning now, this is an over-simplistic, overview of how the immune system works. It's obviously a lot more complicated than this. But this is a good overview of what's going on.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: From the time you are one cell. From the very beginning, that cell, once it starts to divide, there's a protein in there that basically ... [00:08:00] we like to tell people it's like a barcode. It's a protein that's a barcode, and that barcode gets in every cell of your body.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, it's you.

Dr Martin Jr: It's you. And so imagine your immune system is going around scanning cells. If it has that barcode, if it has that protein, your immune system knows it's your own cell, so it scans it, "Nope, it's me." Scans it, "No, it's me." Scans it, "It's me." Scans a cell, "No, it's not me, we better attack [00:08:30] it. It's not supposed to be here." And that's an over-simplistic view of how the immune system works. But there's a lot going on there obviously. But that's the basic idea. Something happens along the way where the immune system no longer recognizes that cell.

Dr Martin Sr: Even though it's yours.

Dr Martin Jr: And it actually starts to view it as a threat.

Dr Martin Sr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr Martin Jr: And starts to attack it. Now what's interesting, a lot of times it's caused by inflammation. Inflammation [00:09:00] can mess up that signalling between the cells, cause it to attack itself.

Dr Martin Sr: Yep. Well we see it a lot. It's incredible, and like you say, it's so much more prevalent today.

Dr Martin Jr: Now, what's interesting is, so if we take that analogy, something has to disrupt that signal between the immune system and the cells. So what's doing that? What's the cause? Well there's a lot of different causes. [00:09:30] But we've narrowed it down to the five biggest causes of what's going on.

So imagine cause and effect, you have a cause, and that cause is leading to inflammation. And then the inflammation is basically messing up the way your immune system works, and then your immune system starts to attack its own cells, and then you end up with symptoms, and you have an autoimmune disorder.

So correcting the problem, in order to fix the problem you have to fix the cause, and [00:10:00] you have to get the immune system to start acting normal again. But, the nice thing is, if you can get rid of that inflammation, you can get rid of the cause, then the immune system just starts doing its job. They're just going to continue doing their job. They're going to be able to properly recognize for ... keeping it simple, they're going to be able to recognize its own cells and they're not going to attack it.

So if you have psoriasis, the immune system will no longer attack your skin cells. If you have Hashimoto's, no longer attack your thyroid. So that's the key, that's what we're trying to [00:10:30] figure out today.

So let's talk about those five big things. Now, the biggest one is leaky gut.

Dr Martin Sr: Absolutely. As a matter of fact, to be honest, I've never seen a case really, you talk about from MS to lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and we coin these things, leaky gut, leaky skin, leaky gut, leaky brain, leaky gut, leaky lungs, you know asthma. Leaky gut, whatever. [00:11:00] It's the key is, has to be the gut. It doesn't mean that it's the only thing going wrong, but it's certainly one of the key factors, because I've never seen exceptions to it, and-

Dr Martin Jr: Well, and that's the thing, leaky gut is, in our opinion, everybody who has an autoimmune disorder has leaky gut syndrome.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, for sure.

Dr Martin Jr: But again, here's the thing, it's cause and effect. Leaky gut does not just spontaneously show up.

Dr Martin Sr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr Martin Jr: Something has [00:11:30] to trigger leaky gut to start, and we have a great video on our website where we talk about all the different causes of leaky gut, things that can affect the way that your gut works, just at the basic level. Those things can be a cause of leaky gut, which then can lead to inflammation, which can then mess up the immune system, which can lead to an autoimmune disorder.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So leaky gut, when we say leaky gut, there's a lot of things that can cause leaky gut syndrome.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Stress [00:12:00] can cause it. Stress is a big cause of leaky gut syndrome.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Cortisol inflames the gut, leads to increased permeability, meaning, things can get through the gut lining, into the blood that should never get into the blood.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: And that can cause a whole bunch of problems.

Dr Martin Sr: Cortisol, and if it isn't the original cause, it aggravates everything because it just, it's like the expression we like to use, it's adding gasoline fuel to the fire. It creates all [00:12:30] that enormous inflammation.

One of the biggest things that I see with leaky gut, and it's just because I'm always asking questions in the office. So when I see someone autoimmune, I'm always going backwards to see, "Now, were you on lots of antibiotics as a kid?" 'Cause that's a question I ask. Or, a couple of years ago, or whatever because ... And I look, antibiotics save your life, so I don't downplay the benefits of antibiotics, but the double- [00:13:00] edged sword of antibiotics is leaky gut. And boy oh boy, I'll tell you, it's almost invariable, it's one of the key factors for a lot of people that end up with autoimmune is they've had a series of antibiotics, sometimes lots of them, especially as kids, and it comes back to haunt them when they get older. I'm telling you, it's part of that equation because it's a big [00:13:30] factor, not the only factor in leaky gut, but it's certainly one of the main causes of leaky gut. Because you can't get away almost without exception, you can't get away from what antibiotics do, and they kill good, bad, and ugly. Antibiotic's a broad spectrum, kill your friendly bacteria, and-

Dr Martin Jr: And studies have shown they actually leave a little, almost a fingerprint for a long time after.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: We talked about this on a previous [00:14:00] episode.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Some of your good bacteria never comes back.

Dr Martin Sr: No.

Dr Martin Jr: It doesn't come back, which again, talks about the importance of a good probiotic. We get asked, especially this time of year, "If I'm taking antibiotic, should I take a probiotic?" Yes. You need to absolutely should be taking a probiotic. And you're right, I mean if you look at the history of people with autoimmune disorders, they definitely have a history, a big percent of them have a history of using, or having taken a fair amount of [00:14:30] antibiotics, or other drugs. 'Cause with a lot of other drugs that can kill the microbiome as well. There's a lot of other drugs out there, a lot of pain medications, and-

Dr Martin Sr: Well almost all drugs. Almost all medications, one of the side effects is certainly leaky gut.

Dr Martin Jr: Well 'cause they've discovered this concept of a microbiome, which is just a bacteria that is beneficial to us, and researchers are calling it another organ. You can't live without it. You'd be dead without it. You can't be healthy without a good microbiome. [00:15:00] So I mean they understand the importance of it.

When they did a lot of these drug testing, they never looked at the effect it had on microbiome 'cause they didn't know about it. And now they're finding out that a lot of the these things have a negative impact on your microbiome, which is again, why people should be taking probiotics, a good probiotic when they're taking medication, even if they're not. But that's what's going on. There's a lot of things, and it's important to understand that.

So a lot of times when it comes to naturally [00:15:30] dealing with an autoimmune disorder is fixing the gut. This is important to understand, just because you have leaky gut syndrome does not necessarily mean you're going to be having digestive symptoms. But a lot of people with autoimmune do have digestive symptoms. They either have a change of bowel habits. They get bloating, got gall bladder issues, or they've had their gall bladder removed. They got low stomach acid. They got a whole bunch of these symptoms, burping, or whatever, heartburn. So they may have a digestive symptom that's going on in the background, [00:16:00] but they gotta fix the gut. There's no question. A lot of the healing starts at that level.

Because one of the things that you and I have talked about quite a bit off-air that's fascinating is so what happens, what makes leaky gut a problem is what it allows into the blood. The whole point of your bowels, your gut lining, is to be what they call selectively permeable. They allow certain things in and they stop other things.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, bad guys out.

Dr Martin Jr: Bad guys [00:16:30] out. Leaky gut basically just imagine the pores opening up a little bit and allowing more things in there. So they're allowing bad things to get in, undigested food, toxins, fungus, and that's what we want to talk about a little bit here, is we're starting to see how much of a problem fungus candidas is.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: You and I have talked about candida for brain, and studies come up now showing that it can cross the blood, brain barrier.

Dr Martin Sr: Scary.

Dr Martin Jr: Yeah, it's terrifying when you think about [00:17:00] it. But candida is a major problem. We're loaded with fungus now, it's everywhere. So the problem with leaky gut is it allows things to get in that shouldn't get in. But as we've mentioned before, a lot of those things shouldn't have even gotten into your gut in the first place. They should have been killed by your acid in your stomach, or your gall bladder. So it's really a systemic. So when we say leaky gut, leaky gut allows the bad things to get in. But the bad things can get [00:17:30] in 'cause they weren't killed when they should have been killed.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So it's really a gut, digestive problem. Like digestion, there's five major components of digestion. You have the stomach acid, you have stomach, you have the gall bladder, you have the liver, you have the pancreas, and then you have the bowels.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: When it comes to those bad things not getting killed, well the stomach didn't do its job. The gall bladder didn't do its job.

Dr Martin Sr: Gall bladder didn't.

Dr Martin Jr: The [00:18:00] liver didn't do its job. And then now you have the pancreas will give it a pass on there 'cause it's busy doing a lot of other things. But that's what's happening. So the upper digestive system failed as well, miserably. It didn't do its job. So they have ... If you have an autoimmune disorder, you have leaky gut, you have a digestive issue.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Here's another thing, a lot of leaky gut can start off because your upper part of your digestive [00:18:30] system is not working, and it strains your gut. It causes inflammation. So if you can have a gut lining that's stopping stuff from getting in, but if your stomach acid's low, and your gall bladder is not there no more, or it's just not doing its job, your gut lining is being bombarded with junk. It's stressing it out.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah because the furnace is supposed to burn it down. When you think of what your stomach acid does. It takes anything [00:19:00] that's coming in, including candida, and it's supposed to kill it. It shouldn't get into even into your gut.

Dr Martin Jr: That's the problem. So when we say that leaky gut is a major cause of autoimmune, now here's the thing, a lot of people in this world have leaky gut, and a lot of them don't have an autoimmune disorder, that's the reality. But if you have leaky gut, some may have IBS, some may have joint pain. Some may have brain issues, some can have skin. A lot of skin [00:19:30] conditions directly tied into the health of your gut.

So there's a lot of things going on, but there's a percentage of people that when they have leaky gut and they get inflammation, and they get cortisol increases, and they get all these things going on, it eventually can mess up the way the immune system works, and then it starts to attack its own cells. So leaky gut can go to a lot of different things, and not everybody that has leaky gut that's going to have an autoimmune disorder, but everybody that has an autoimmune disorder has leaky gut. That's a [00:20:00] pretty safe thing, in a sense, to say.

So a big part of naturally dealing with an autoimmune is fixing the gut. Even if you don't think your gut is a problem, 'cause you're not getting traditional digestive symptoms. But I'm willing to bet that if you took a questionnaire of all the digestive symptoms, you would have them.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: You would have some for sure.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: If you have an autoimmune disorder, you have something going on gut. So leaky gut is a starting point for a lot of autoimmune disorders. [00:20:30] Whatever can cause leaky gut can eventually be the trigger that leads to an autoimmune disorder. So when we leaky gut is a cause, we're saying whatever can cause leaky gut can lead to an autoimmune disorder. So that's the first one, leaky gut's a big one.

A second big one, chemicals. Chemicals cause inflammation. They don't cause fevers like the old bacteria did. They cause a disruption in the immune [00:21:00] system, because the amount of inflammation they cause. We are living in a chemical world they're everywhere.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Chemicals are everywhere.

Dr Martin Sr: 100,000 chemicals, new chemicals have been created since World War II. At least, like you say, you can't leave the planet. You're going to be surrounded by chemicals. You expressed this before. When we talk about plastic for example, it's in the air, you're [00:21:30] breathing plastic in. I always say that autoimmune is somebody that, the canary in the coal mine. We can put 10 people in a room and 10 people breathe the same air, drink the same water or whatever, but if you have any kind of sensitivity, or if your microbiome isn't right, those chemicals can cause your body to overreact to them, they see them as something that disrupts, [00:22:00] and then your body attacks, and you over attack.

Dr Martin Jr: Here's the thing with chemicals, so chemicals can hurt your immune system in two ways, one, chemicals can directly affect the way that the cells signal and talk to each other. So it can cut off radio communication. Every movie where it doesn't matter the movie, if the two main characters have walkie talkies, at some point [00:22:30] something disrupts their communication, at some point. It doesn't matter what it is, they're pushing on the button and they can't hear each other, that's chemicals can do that between the cells in your immune system, directly. But then chemicals also create inflammation, which can then disrupt further. So chemicals can be a double whammy.

Here's the thing, I mean there's a lot of studies we can look at, but one large study tested a bunch of people, tested their urine. 93% [00:23:00] of them had glyphosate in their urine, 93%. I want to read you a quote from a study that was done on babies. In 2005, researchers found 287, 287 industrial chemicals including pesticides, folates, dioxin, flame-retardants, and the break down of chemicals from Teflon in the fetal cord of 10 newborn infants from around the country. [00:23:30] So transmitted to the infants by their mothers, exposures before and during pregnancy. So kids are born into this world already loaded with chemicals. That's incredible to think about. So we live in a chemical world.

Dr Martin Sr: Oh yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So there's no-

Dr Martin Sr: Toxic soup.

Dr Martin Jr: There's no question why we see an increase in autoimmune disorders, and here's the thing, you can't prevent that. You can't. You can do, you can reduce it. [00:24:00] You can avoid it as much as you can. But it is everywhere. You can go completely organic, plastic-free, fragrance-free-

Dr Martin Sr: They don't give you a straw in the restaurants anymore.

Dr Martin Jr: You can do all that stuff, but you're going to be exposed to chemicals. So you can't run from that, so the key is, you want to build up the defence your body has against chemicals. You want to make sure that your liver is working properly. You want to make sure [00:24:30] that your digestive tract is working properly. You want to make sure your immune system is up to par. 'Cause you can't avoid chemicals, they're everywhere. But chemicals can trigger autoimmune, and chemicals can also be a major cause of leaky gut as well. So chemicals are a big cause. But again, you can't avoid them. You can reduce exposure for sure. You can reduce exposure. But you can't completely avoid chemicals. So that's the thing. We talked about leaky gut, we talked about chemicals, you like to mention [00:25:00] heavy metals.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, mercury, lead, cadmium. Your body is so receptive to those things because they do mimic, in a lot of ways their structure of certain minerals even like magnesium and potassium. So your body ... It's amazing how many people are walking around with mercury, lead, cadmium in their system and they don't even know it. Again, it's part [00:25:30] of the toxic soup. Lead, it's in the soil. Anything coming out of China, just about, has got lead in it. Women that wear makeup and lipstick and shampoos. You know what I mean? The high fructose corn syrup.

Dr Martin Jr: And that's where we talk about reducing your exposure.

Dr Martin Sr: Right.

Dr Martin Jr: There are better makeups out there, shampoos out there. You want to reduce your exposure.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: But yeah, it's amazing. So heavy metals, again, they can disrupt [00:26:00] the way the immune system works. They can cause a bunch of inflammation. But they are definitely can be for some people, the cause that leads to an autoimmune disorder.

Here's another one, and this is a big one as well. Vegetable oils, processed foods. Vegetable oils irritate the lining of most people's guts. When that happens, you end up with leaky gut, and when that happens, as we talked about, many times on this episode, [00:26:30] can lead to autoimmune disorders. Also, there's something to be said about the ratio between omega-6s, which are found in processed vegetable oils, and omega-3s. If your intake of omega-6s is a lot more than your intake of omega-3s, that ratio can lead to a lot of problems. Right now I think it's 18 to 1. I think it might even be higher.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, very [crosstalk 00:26:58] well it's crazy.

Dr Martin Jr: [00:27:00] I thought I read somewhere around 25 to 1, but the last thing that I remember reading specifically was 18 to 1, meaning, we consume on average, 18 times more omega-6s than we do omega-3s. That ratio is a disaster. That ratio is a recipe for disaster. For some people, that alone can cause such an inflammatory reaction and a gut disruption that that alone could be the cause for some people of [00:27:30] autoimmune. So that's a big issue as well. We consume a ton of vegetable oils in our diet. If you eat out, if you buy packaged foods, they're all vegetable oils.

Dr Martin Sr: They last, you see.

Dr Martin Jr: And I ... Listen, vegetable oil is a tremendous marketing job. I mean vegetables are always healthy, in people's head, always. So how do you make an oil that's not [00:28:00] healthy sound healthy? Call it a vegetable oil.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, 'cause it's really, you can run your car on this stuff.

Dr Martin Jr: [crosstalk 00:28:06] Yeah, they're not-

Dr Martin Sr: It's industrialized. Highly, highly processed.

Dr Martin Jr: Go on YouTube and look at how canola oil is made, there's nothing natural about canola oil.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Yet it's a vegetable oil, and it's healthy vegetable oil. So again, that's a big problem, which is why a lot of people do well when they increase their intake of omega-3.

Dr Martin Sr: Omega-3, yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: And then they lower their processed food, or their omega-6 [00:28:30] intake, and it's amazing how much better they feel.

The fifth thing that we want to talk about quickly are food allergies. There are a lot of people that have these hidden food allergies. They're not that hidden. They're getting a lot of symptoms, they just don't know that it's 'cause of a food allergen. They got mucus, they always have had asthma. They have headaches, or they have digestive issues. They have skin issues. They got bags under their eyes, or whatever. They got these symptoms. So when we say hidden, they're not hidden, [00:29:00] I mean their symptoms are there, they just are not, they don't know where to look. They're not sure what they are.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, they can't equate it with-

Dr Martin Jr: No, it's funny because people will talk to us about, "Oh, I get a lot of asthma, and a lot of coughing, and a lot of mucus." And then it's like, "Okay." You ask them some questions, and it's usually around after a meal. Then you can narrow it down, it's like, "Yeah, you can't have dairy." Or, "You can't have eggs." Eggs is a common, unfortunately, 'cause it's such [00:29:30] a good food.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, such a good food, but-

Dr Martin Jr: I can't eat eggs. I can't eat eggs.

Dr Martin Sr: And it's a lot worse today than it was. But again, that goes back to the change, I believe, in the microbiome, because now eggs, which are 100% good for you-

Dr Martin Jr: Every time I can't eat an egg, I blame mum. She was on antibiotics for what, seven-

Dr Martin Sr: Eight years.

Dr Martin Jr: Eight years?

Dr Martin Sr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr Martin Jr: The whole pregnancy with me, on antibiotics.

Dr Martin Sr: She was, and as a little girl, for eight years, lost a kidney.

Dr Martin Jr: Eight [00:30:00] years.

Dr Martin Sr: In the 1950s that's what they did.

Dr Martin Jr: That's what they did. They just put them on antibiotics forever.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: So I can't eat eggs. That's probably the reason, I just like to tease her about it, but I can't enjoy-

Dr Martin Sr: She can't even eat eggs.

Dr Martin Jr: No, she can't even eat eggs either. But yeah, it's amazing, right?

Dr Martin Sr: I make up for it, for you both of you guys.

Dr Martin Jr: Yeah, and my wife makes up for it, and unfortunately, I just can't eat eggs.

Dr Martin Sr: No, yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: And even my kids can tolerate eggs, but they can't eat-

Dr Martin Sr: They can't live on them.

Dr Martin Jr: They definitely can't, and if they have eggs one day, they gotta take some time off [00:30:30] in between type of thing. But food allergies, again, are so common today that most people have an intolerance to a food, and they don't even know it. They don't even know it. And that, again, can trigger inflammation, can trigger an autoimmune disorder. Which again, goes back to eating, goes back to the gut to fix it.

So let's ... We've been talking a fair amount about some big concepts for autoimmune. [00:31:00] Let's talk about how to approach from a natural standpoint, how do you approach dealing with an autoimmune disorder? Now here's the thing, so an autoimmune, as we mentioned at the top, can affect any organ. So let's just say that you have Hashimoto's.

So here's the thing, you have to address the cause, you have to fix the gut, and then you have to help repair the thyroid. So there's three steps involved. And actually, there's a fourth [00:31:30] step, 'cause you have to help the immune system. So really there's four steps to dealing with any autoimmune. So if you have rheumatoid for example, well you have to identify the cause. You have to fix the gut. You have to help the immune system, and then you gotta do something to help repair, specifically for the joints. So it's a four-step process. Regardless of whether you have an autoimmune disorder. But let's start with food. Let's just again, with the way somebody should [00:32:00] eat if they have an autoimmune disorder.

Dr Martin Sr: Well, number one, pretty simple. If you're going to do one thing, cut out your sugars, because sugar and yeast, like we said, there's always candida, always one of the side effects. If you're going to do nothing else, cut out the sugar in your diet. Cut it down to almost nothing. We always talk about eating low-carb, and eating crappy carbohydrates. [00:32:30] Get rid of that stuff. So diet has a big, big effect on autoimmune.

Dr Martin Jr: Yeah, diet is probably the biggest thing to start. So if you have a food allergy, identify it, and get rid of it, clean your diet up. Simplify your diet.

Dr Martin Sr: Rope it in.

Dr Martin Jr: Rope it in. Now if you have an autoimmune disorder, simplify your diet. Don't get too creative. Don't get too wild. Bring your diet in. Cut down sugar. Cut down processed foods. Keep your insulin levels [00:33:00] low, which means going a lot lower carb. A lot of people get great results when they go ketogenic, they start consuming less than 30 or 40 grams of carbs a day. They're not eating processed.

Dr Martin Sr: Anything.

Dr Martin Jr: You could do keto and eat processed foods, that's the thing. I mean a lot of people eat low-carb, and they have a very high-processed diet as well, because reading a lot of the vegetable oil stuff. Again, that's the first thing, cut down sugar, cut down vegetable oils. Cut down carbs. Reign your food [00:33:30] in. It's amazing, just by doing that, how much better people feel.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah, for sure.

Dr Martin Jr: Right?

Dr Martin Sr: Good results.

Dr Martin Jr: Right off the bat, so food is where you start. So identify the cause. Identify that cause, cause and effect. That requires work from people. That requires for some people, keeping a food journal, noticing when their symptoms, because the body will tell you. If you've got rheumatoid arthritis, and your joints are worse lately, well that's where you want to pay attention to what [00:34:00] you've been doing, stress, eating, exercise, all these things. You want to pay attention to see if you can identify what's going on.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Then you want to fix the gut. In order to fix the gut, as I mentioned, there's five parts to digestion. Probiotics is a starting point, no question.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: You have to start with a good probiotic. But you need a good digestive enzyme as well for the upper GI part. You need a good digestive enzyme as well. That's a big aspect of that. So you have your gut, fix the gut. If [00:34:30] you go to our website, we have a great training on digestive health. Sign up for that, watch it. That's a great place to start.

Dr Martin Sr: Yeah.

Dr Martin Jr: Then you have to help the immune system. Well how do you help the immune system? What do you recommend for somebody that needs immune system help?

Dr Martin Sr: Again, you want to make sure you got good levels of vitamin-D, because your immune system doesn't work properly without vitamin-D.

Dr Martin Jr: So they want to optimize vitamin-D level?

Dr Martin Sr: Always optimize vitamin-D. I always say, [00:35:00] if you want to put your immune system to sleep, go back to food, eat sugar. So eliminate the sugar. Get your immune system where it can concentrate on what it needs to concentrate on, and not be put to sleep by your poor diet. But the big thing on immunity is getting your optimizing vitamin-D. That's why you always ... Some people are sensitive to the sun, especially with lupus, but then you gotta take vitamin- [00:35:30] D as a supplement. It's very, very important for you.

Dr Martin Jr: All right, so we've covered a ton of stuff on this podcast. We're about 40 minutes in, so we're out of time. Again, if you have questions, just email us. You do Facebook lives, there's a lot of ways to get a hold of us. Again, we want to thank you for listening. Have a great day.

Dr Martin Sr: Thanks for listening to The Doctor is in podcast from if you have any questions, you can reach us at If you're not [00:36:00] a newsletter subscriber, you can head to our website and sign up for free. We also have a private Facebook group that you can join, it's a community of awesome people. Finally, I do a Facebook live every Thursday morning at 8:30. join us again next week for a new episode.